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#1 2008-03-26 09:04:03

Slorrin
PROPHET64 GURU
Registered: 2006-07-09
Posts: 871

P64 Sequencer cracked apparently

Apprently the p64 sequencer has been cracked and is starting to surface on ftp sites... meaning a free (pir8) version of the sequencer will spread soon.

Interesting proposition.. but you'd be loading it from a disk if running it on a c64... why add EVEN MORE slowdown to shows?

whatever.. what do you guys think of this?

I know what boomlinde thinks already smile

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#2 2008-03-26 10:03:06

ron
PROPHET64 GURU
From: berlin
Registered: 2006-07-08
Posts: 502
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Re: P64 Sequencer cracked apparently

It's not like people didn't use commodores for live shows before the newskool software carts were born.
My MPC takes much more time loading sample data than the C64 booting the old (free) edition of the monosynth from disk. Also there're rumors about people using laptops for live, too - how much slowdown is booting Windows or OSX and launching evilton live??

wink

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#3 2008-03-26 10:52:12

firestARTer
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From: Germany
Registered: 2006-06-27
Posts: 579
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Re: P64 Sequencer cracked apparently

Slorrin wrote:

Apprently the p64 sequencer has been cracked and is starting to surface on ftp sites... meaning a free (pir8) version of the sequencer will spread soon.

Interesting proposition.. but you'd be loading it from a disk if running it on a c64... why add EVEN MORE slowdown to shows?

whatever.. what do you guys think of this?

I know what boomlinde thinks already smile

Looks like you are quite busy searching for it wink


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#4 2008-03-26 13:10:52

MikeTorino
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Re: P64 Sequencer cracked apparently

My 2 cents in general... Cracking expensive software from large corporations is one thing, they still make big bucks. This however, is just a vicious attack on another one's hard labor..
At lousy 30 euros, 8bv nearly gave this software away. Obviously they must be devoted in doing so for other reasons than making money. Why would anyone want to ruin that?? Don't we all want the c64 to live on forever??

On the other hand, p64 is an obsolete product..It will be of less interest when the Mssiah is out..
That is, if they still want to release it... yikes

 

#5 2008-03-29 00:19:18

KONEY
PROPHET64 GURU
From: VENICE - ITALY
Registered: 2006-07-08
Posts: 1062
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Re: P64 Sequencer cracked apparently

I dont know, it sounds so strange to me...

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#6 2008-03-29 11:05:34

Chipmun
Bloody beginner
Registered: 2007-03-13
Posts: 3

Re: P64 Sequencer cracked apparently

*20 seconds loading time to edit instruments (and then you can't play the sound via the keyboard - I kid you not)!
*20 seconds loading time to edit a sequence!

If you have access to Jiffydos it loads faster.

*1351 emulation in VICE sucks ass for this as it's only designed for port 1, so the mouse buttons don't work properly in sequencer

Yeah, it sucks. There is even missing the PSID converter.

To me this crack is only a average Demo version.

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#7 2008-03-30 13:26:47

ron
PROPHET64 GURU
From: berlin
Registered: 2006-07-08
Posts: 502
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Re: P64 Sequencer cracked apparently

Tonka wrote:

The only concern I have about this release is that people may be using is to get a 'feel' of what MSSIAH is going to be like, and frankly, it's a bad experience and poor representation of just how good this software is...

Good news, that's some more carts available for us wink
Don't worry, MSSIAH gonna impact the non-tracker C64 enthusiasts anyways.

edit: Just took a look at the crack. The readme looks like the 'crackers' just hit the puberty ('dick eier'?). Just wondering if they spent '2.5 years' to rip the binary apart or to rate Prophet64 as a 'stupid music composing thing' and 'lousy'...

Last edited by ron (2008-03-30 14:03:03)

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#8 2008-03-30 20:22:44

linde
Mad Max
From: Schweden
Registered: 2006-07-30
Posts: 95
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Re: P64 Sequencer cracked apparently

Yeah, this was pretty useful to me since I can now run the bassline, drum machine and monosynth programs directly from my MMC64

Tonka wrote:

What bugs me is that the general consensus of the 'scene' is that Prophet 64 'sux', so they feel it gives them some kind of right to crack it and then insult the software/programmers at the same time.  (I don't think many sceners actually progress past the age of 13, when it was still thought *cool* to slag off other groups in scrolly messages, etc)! big_smile

What really bugs me is that they only seem to hate the software because you can't use it to make music for said scrolly demo's and games (because the file size is obviously too big).  Well, this was never the point of P64 and it actually SAYS that in the bloody manual, so WTF?...

That is definitely NOT the general consensus in the scene. I've shown people the software at couple of parties and everybody who tried and watched had fun and thought it was good... Not as a scene tool, of course, but generally they all appreciated the software for what it actually is and tries to do. Then we started talking about rastertime (of course smile) and that the play routine in the sequencer is bloated etc but there was no misunderstanding of the purpose of the software, and no 'sux' or the likes. You can't make assumptions about the whole scene based on the opinion of just a couple of crackers.

I don't see anything ethically wrong with this crack, since P64 is discontinued anyway. The worst thing that could happened is that eBay auction prices are brought down to reasonable levels again wink

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#9 2008-03-31 10:29:10

The Disco King
GI-Joe
Registered: 2008-01-20
Posts: 15

Re: P64 Sequencer cracked apparently

Tonka wrote:

This cracked release will definitely have a negative effect on sales of MSSIAH.

Although maybe people will get a taste for it and then want to purchase the full product. Probably not though if this crack is as buggy as everyone is saying.

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#10 2008-03-31 14:34:51

linde
Mad Max
From: Schweden
Registered: 2006-07-30
Posts: 95
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Re: P64 Sequencer cracked apparently

Tonka wrote:

Ahh, well that's because you didn't spend the time, effort, blood, sweat & tears coding the software, did you?...

It's still a discontinued and outdated piece of software. The amount of blood, tears and sweat won't change if I download it since the author isn't losing any money because of it.

Tonka wrote:

P64 is discontinued yes, but the software on the cart (albeit updated) will be re- used in MSSIAH.  I still think cracking it was wrong and worse than that,  it was done so badly it's totally unrepresentative of the true quality of the Sequencer software.  This cracked release will definitely have a negative effect on sales of MSSIAH.

Maybe you don't care about that - I do...

Updated, as you said. Not just a little either, with full MIDI support straight out of the box. I doubt that the crack will have any negative effect on sales of MSSIAH... Quite oppositely I believe that it will bring positive attention to it, even if it is buggy (generally, people who know where to look for the crack also understand that it's buggy). Even if people have old versions of the software, the MIDI interface is a unique selling point. No matter the outcome I'm sure that MSSIAH will be sold as long as it is produced and empty the stock once production is stopped. No harm done.

However, we must agree that both our theories of how this will affect MSSIAH sales are equally speculative.

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#11 2008-03-31 20:10:29

MikeTorino
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Re: P64 Sequencer cracked apparently

I agree with Tonka but I actually think Linde does have a point. The midi option makes it 100 times more powerful than the old p64. While p64 was aimed more at the real freaks (that's us! wink ) Mssiah will probably attract a wider range of musicians.

 

#12 2008-04-21 22:41:18

neverever
Bloody beginner
Registered: 2008-04-21
Posts: 5

Re: P64 Sequencer cracked apparently

I guess this could be it:
http://www.mercatinomusicale.com/ann/an … et-sid.htm

How sad! :-(

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#13 2008-04-22 01:39:44

KONEY
PROPHET64 GURU
From: VENICE - ITALY
Registered: 2006-07-08
Posts: 1062
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Re: P64 Sequencer cracked apparently

Since it doesn't speak about the sequencer I think it's the free edition, anyway 20 to load a (free) program to a floppy are definitely not a bargain!

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#14 2008-09-06 01:13:16

klx300r
Nibbler
Registered: 2007-05-31
Posts: 42

Re: P64 Sequencer cracked apparently

...it sucks man.....we have to support 8BV on this and stop this type of punks play when we see it !!!

...still PATIENTLY waiting for the MSSIAH to arrive....................

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